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And then of course, I skimmed this book by a former USAF colonel (and paranormal advocate), who had some experience with black projects and talked to some people who may have got plausibly even have got wind of a deep cover alien program while he was on the inside. You're right. Alexander, Vallée, Hal Puthoff, and Kit Green, all spooky UFO intel military insiders, looked for the USG secret squad and came up Snake Eyes. Beyond the fact that we have an ironclad explanation for what the Roswell object actually was (the then-classified project MOGUL balloon), There is good evidence that the MOGUL story is true. And I also dont believe the 80-year-old conspiracy theory, but the disinformation on UFOs by the US military and intelligence does go back to the 1953 CIA Robertson panel; updated in the 80s with the Doty era, and again IMO updated in 2017 up until today.
Original post by u/songsofadistantsun: Here Original Post ID: 1u66bpw Original post text: So - I consider myself a lay skeptic, but not rigidly enough that I see the need to debunk every possible event that can't be explained. I'm not super well-versed on the phenomenon, but I think the Pentagon releases in the last decade are more than proof enough that some of these sightings are real enough that the USAF is concerned about whatever potential threat they might pose. But there is no coverup, let alone one that dates back to freaking 1947. Beyond the fact that we have an ironclad explanation for what the Roswell object actually was (the then-classified project MOGUL balloon), I feel like there are about five very big reasons why the US government and military have not been hiding an alien spacecraft that long: If they had one and were able to reverse engineer the technology, they would have used it to (at least) harass the Soviet Union with an unending barrage of alien craft, gotten all the intel they could have ever wanted on everything they were up to (without any need for the billions spent on developing the U-2, A-12 and SR-71 at Area 51), stopped their space ambitions, and demoralized that country into collapse, without ever having needed to deploy a single genuine military asset. Even if they kept the whole thing as classified as is possible for them, they wouldn't have been able to resist using it to win the fucking Cold War. If they had one but could not figure out the tech (for whatever reason), then there would have still been a very strong push by anyone with a need-to-know in the higher echelons of the defence establishment to figure it out, in order to make item 1 possible. Even very damaged alien tech could be the key to anything; they wouldn't have treated even a potential golden goose as a paperweight. Any such project, no matter how tightly controlled, would have involved hundreds to thousands of people, even if the need-to-knows and clearances were kept to an absolute bare minimum. The largest and most elaborate such project in the 40s - the Manhattan Project - was still penetrated by Soviet spies. I know that subsequent black projects were more secure, but I feel that both the challenge and potential prize of figuring out alien technology, if they had it in their possession, would have been a much larger project involving a much greater percentage of military-industrial assets (especially ones focused on extraneous fields of science and pure research), similar to the Manhattan project. And again - if they had figured it out, the spy planes would have been superfluous and the Cold War would have been won by flying saucers. The supposed whistleblowers and leakers have not once produced undisputed, fully corroborated evidence, and their stories often end up contradicting each other in the finer details (or, in the case of Bob Lazar, have fabricated credentials). Elizondo and Grusch may be trustworthy within the military-industrial spheres, but so far their stories amount to "this guy who knew this guy who knew this guy said we have aliens and the whole conspiracy is true, but I can't name names even though I'm saying this out in the open without risk". And then of course, I skimmed this book by a former USAF colonel (and paranormal advocate), who had some experience with black projects and talked to some people who may have got plausibly even have got wind of a deep cover alien program while he was on the inside. Even in confidence, all of them denied knowing anything, and he painstakingly explained that the denial did not mean they were lying. So yeah. They cover up their own black projects, they are doing some research on this phenomenon, and some of that research is classified because it either overlaps with their existing secret projects, or with intelligence on enemy assets that they can't publicly acknowledge. But by and large, they're just as in the dark as we are, while being concerned enough to try and find out whether this is any kind of threat to them. And some small but significant percentage of these incidents were caused by things that no one can currently explain. Whatever they are, they may indeed not be human, though I don't believe that ETIs will be humanoid, or would cross the galaxy to harass jet fighters. And why their FTL, interialess spacecraft always be crashing anyways? Now - take my claims apart! Original Flair ID: 6a71c190-cd72-11ef-b0d0-9a1976ad336f Original Flair Text: Government